Comments from the advertised display board and discussion Tuesday night at the Harry Jerome Memorial Centre regarding the School Board / Polygon development at the Lonsdale School site. (June 24th, '09)
Several observations:
Improvements: from the earlier plan
- The residential buildings are sited north and south to give some outlook and massing relief to the buildings across on both 22nd and 21st streets.
- The HYAD project is nicely incorporated into the Chesterfield area and has adequate parking for caregivers to the residents.
- The parking ingress and exit for all the residential buildings is now located off Chesterfield Ave
- The 21st street parking access is only for the school admin building and none of the existing Rey Sargeant Park needs to be used
Concerns:
1) Local residents are browned off at the residential buildings heights changing from 4 stories to 5 stories. Density, views, outlooks, privacy, traffic and parking, shadowing etc. For the development, this will add 45 suites, bring the total to 260, plus 16 HYAD units (14 resident, 2 mgmt stes).
2) all residential visitor parking is located in the underground parkade off Chesterfield and not likely to be used by visitors, which will create traffic jams and overload traffic on 22nd street which is a very narrow street. ( front entrances to the residential buildings are on 22nd st.)
Big concern:
- A question was asked to the school board. How many staff will work in the school board office? Answer = approx 110-120 staff.
How many parking spaces are in the underground parkade? Answer = 86 spaces. (includes 5 visitor spaces.)
Special Events:
NV City and the School Board have agreed that Centennial Theatre parking can be an overflow for special events at the school board and 'Arts for Kids' and vice versa for special events at the Theatre. Wonder how many of the public will be aware ....
3) Problem: Woefully inadequate parking at the school board admin office building.
- Inadequate parking for staff
- Inadequate parking for students who will attend some classes at the school board admin offices
- Inadequate parking for visitors
- Inadequate parking for teachers who will attend workshops/meetings at the school board offices
- Woefully inadequate parking for the 'Arts For Kids' students. 1800 dist 44 school children are offered participation in this program 3 days a week, all year. Some of this is all day school hours (drop off and pick up by parents). There are also regular after school and weekend programs. In addition for special events, the children will be bussed to the site.
The only planning for parent drop-off and pick-up parking is on Lonsdale in front of the building.
Local Resident and Guest comments:
"The School Board is planning to build a 'Taj Mahal' administration building, 90 ft high, with 5 stories for staff office and classrooms above the 2 level 'Arts For Kids' lobby level, plus a sub-penthouse boardroom, and a penthouse for whatever? (query-lunchroom?), while the student population is declining .... "
"They are trying to force this overloaded density onto a residential neighborhood, to pay for the $38 million dollar construction of the 'Taj Mahal' School Board office on Lonsdale, when they have property at the Queen Mary School site and at the Lucas Centre."
The planned admin building on Lonsdale will be 90 ft high. "Towering over Lonsdale, the entire length of the school board property. A straight up and down facade. No set back." "It doesn't fit in with the neighborhood of 3 and 4 storey buildings."
And the new plan requires the school board building be sited closer to Lonsdale. "Can we save the chestnut trees on Lonsdale?" No answer, no arborist report available at the meeting.
When asked why they need all this density revenue, the School Board replied that they need 3 1/2 million for the Ridgeway School upgrade and similiar upgrades to Queen Mary School. (compare $3.5 x 2 to the cost of$38m to build the admin office bldg.)
When asked why they need so much space in the admin bldg, the School Board replied "with declining student enrollment, we need to find new sources of funding, such as overseas students, and we need more staff to do this."
When asked why they are not using monies from selling/developing the land at the Queen Mary School location, they replied that "the funds from the sale of lands are years down the road, maybe 5 years". A comment from the crowd "My bank understands asset values. Doesn't theirs?"
When asked why they are not relocating the school board administration site to the Lucas Centre location and upgrading/rebuilding the buildings there and keeping the 'Arts For Kids' location there, with all the adequate parking and ideal quiet surroundings, there was no time to answer this question. Except "we need the funds in the present budget. This is what we have planned."
A Townhall meeting is planned for September.
Friday, June 26, 2009
New Lonsdale School Board Admin Building Dubbed 'Taj Mahal'
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20 opinions/comments:
what is the planned growth in this area.
What is it that the city wants to do?
why do they need to raise it to 5 storeys?
This is going way higher than the other people and buildings in central lonsdale.
I don't want to live like the west end ...this is my home
This is NOT a time for a new school district admin building!
What the hell are they thinking?
Enrollment is going down, schools are closing down, Prices to rent schools are going up, programs are being cut - and yet here they are wanting new offices?!?!
Not on my watch!
NVSD - make do with what you have - after all, it's what you demand of our students.
Quite bitchy!
Why wouldn't 80 parking spaces be adequate for 120 staff? Surely not every staff member will drive, especially with the offices on North Vancouver's main bus route.
I'm sure that the School District also takes part in Translink's Employer Pass Program.
There may be problems with this project but parking isn't one of them.
"Not on my watch!"
And you are ??
A Seymour Resident
Bring on density!
And yes, on my watch.
DM
As usual the focus in this school district does NOT put the students needs first.
What students? Their numbers are declining. Why can't the school district use their existing stock of buildings to house their administrative and teaching requirements? As I understand it, there is a surplus of room that could be put to use. A school district office should not be occupying valuable land on the city's main commercial/retail street. That just smacks of a sense of self importance that people are going to react poorly to. For once, I'd like to see my tax dollars spent in a responsible manner. The school district does not need such a physical presence.
Barry, 80 parking spaces should be ok for up to 120 staff.
It's the classroom students, the teachers workshops, the visitors and the parents of the children in the kids art programs that have no place to park.
Put the school district offices at the Lucas centre, which is a big space.
Should the school people sell the Lonsdale school land
and build at another location more suited to this kind of need = classrooms, administration, teachers meetings, childrens arts and school district consultation?
I was at this meeting with a friend and the person talking at the explanation drawings said that if they can't build 5 floors on all the residence buildings, they can't afford to go ahead. Why is that different than before when they were going to build 4 floors at every building?
4 floors on the Lonsdale corridor is a waste of the land. This is where maximum density should be placed to minimize the need for greater density in single family neighborhoods. Council and staff are dropping the ball on this.
And you are ??
a NV taxpayer with kids in the NVSD system (including one special needs kid) who have been subject to adverse decisions caused by reductions in funding.
I have no problem with decent offices for staff, but I have a huge problem with the designation of new money going towards these facilities when there's adequate a vacant premises in inventory that can be converted appropriately in a much more financially responsible manner.
Part of the problem is that the School Board is trying to do too much with the sale of this site.
They want to finance the new administation building, provide a gallery and instruction space for the Artists for Kids Program, provide land for housing youth with disabilies (HYAD) and fund the heritage preservation of Ridgeway. While these are all worthy projects, to attach all of them to the redevelopment of this site is driving the density beyond what the current OCP envisions.
Should have just added another 5 floors to the new library for the NVSD....
Northj Vancouver SD #44
Summary Compensation Table:
Fiscal 2007-2008 (year ending June 30, 2008)
Name and Principal
Position
John Lewis
Superintendent
Total Pay: $198,766
Bryn Roberts
Assistant Superintendent
Total Pay: $168,963.
David Pearce
Assistant Superintendent
Total Pay: $162,982.
Larry Johnson
Assistant Superintendent
Total Pay: $166,611.
Irene Young
Secretary-Treasurer
Total pay: $164,886.
Source: http://www.aved.gov.bc.ca/psec/documents/sddisclosures/sd44_08.pdf
I have absolutely no problem paying good people to do a good job.
I'm not sure what your point was in posting this salary info?
If you're comparing it to yours and feeling hard done by, perhaps you turned left earlier in life when you should have turned right.
You should also have posted the top paid teachers and the amount going towards expenses for employees of our school district.
Is the school board broke? Or can they use their ownership of the lands at Queen Mary School, Hamilton School (Lucas Centre), Ridegway,
to finance their present operations?
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