Tuesday, April 07, 2015

Vancouver housing prices: long term prospects

There are few things are the fueling Vancouver housing market. One factor, that has gotten a press recently is the amount foreign money coming. The problem is it has been next to impossible to pin down just how much money is flowing in and just who it is that is buying. Most of the evidence is anecdotal -- official figures being few and far between. Further complicating matters is there are a large number of high worth individuals, many of them investor class immigrants, who are not foreigners at all, but Canadian citizens who work elsewhere and pay taxes elsewhere. Whatever the case, given the huge gap between medium income levels and housing prices, particularly detached housing prices, it is fair to assume that the role of outside money is playing a big role. Only in Hong Kong is the gap bigger.  
A second factor is interest rates. Lower interest rates have greatly increased people's ability to take on a larger mortgage. A few examples should drive home the point. The monthly payment on a $500,000 mortgage at 5% with a 25 year interest period is $2,908.03. The monthly payments on a $615,000 loan at 3% is $2910.46 The monthly payment on a $650,000 mortgage at 5% is $3780.44. The monthly payment on a $800,000 mortgage at 3% is $3785.97.  
The third thing, that is not getting much play at all, is this. All that foreign money flowing in is not simply vanishing. Foreigners, however you want to define them, are not buying off other foreigners. They are buying from locals -- more often than not local baby boomers looking to downsize. These newly displaced locals are not retiring and moving full time to Mexico. They are staying in town and so still need a place to live. Flush with cash, these lucky locals have helped inflate and now sustain the condo market. Of course, many of these same people have passed some of their windfall to their offspring. This in turn has made it possible for the lucky sons of daughters of these baby bombers to enter into the market they would otherwise be priced out of. According to a survey by mortgage insurer Genworth, 40% of first time home buyers used family money in purchasing a home.  Finally, the huge spike in housing prices over the last 15 years has greatly increased the ability of those still in their homes to purchase a secondary property. The amount of collateral they have to offer up has gone through the proverbial roof. All three groups have helped greatly increase the size of the condo market in the last 15 years.
This leads me back to foreign money. In so far as the amount of foreign money flowing into the market represents a windfall for a portion of the local population, housing prices are somewhat sustainable. The money is still in the local economy and a chunk is ready to be reinvested in the local housing market. However, eventually that is going to come to an end. Even if foreign money keeps flowing in and even if the secular stagnation thesis proves right and low interest rates become the new long term norm by the time the next generation goes to downsize they will be no position to inject their earnings back into the economy and to help their own offspring enter the housing market. Most if not all of the spread will go into paying off debts, most notably the mortgage they took out buying the place they are selling.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

The article at this link pretty well wraps it up.

http://sofard.tumblr.com/post/113616107456/the-decline-of-vancouver

Anonymous said...

Our city is in a time of transformation and it will never return to the "good old days" as recalled by long term residents.

It is already too late to try to roll back the clock as the status quo of 30 or 40 years ago will never be revisited.

So what now?

Adapt or move elsewhere. Don't really see a third option.

Anonymous said...

You mean follow like a sheep. Interesting in today's news about the oil spill in English Bay.

Everybody is covering their asses, except the Harper government which is strangely silent after closing the Coast Guard Station in the area.

This is all very good to not get our idiot Prime Minister re-elected.

Anonymous said...

The price of N. Shore housing = oil spills and a shot at "our idiot Prime Minister?" A bit of a stretch.

Meanwhile, back at the topic....

John Sharpe said...

Alarming article in that link provided by anon 4:56.

Anonymous said...

That article is interesting in that I wonder if any of our politically correct politicians, developers or real estate agents could dispute it.

I think not.

While we may quietly complain we will politely accept the new reality. How Canadian.

A wholesale transformation within our lifetime in our own home. The genie is out of the bottle never to be put back.

Anonymous said...

Who would expect it to go back 40 years, but wouldn't
it be nice to have sophistication instead of such a jumble
in the CNV? No respect to homeowners, nothing
Guaranteed with all the zoning amendments.

Thought Lonsdale was the corridor for development
from Lower to Upper, what happened???

Anonymous said...

What happened?

So called 'Sustainable Development'. That's what happened.

'Saving the planet' (one developer at a time) doncha know.




Anonymous said...

Hey, remember 10 years ago when all the local politicians stroked their chins and looked wise and pontificated about "the liveable region?"

Bike lanes with nobody in them. Traffic flow a mess. Crowded amenities. Taxes going crazy. Cut backs to schools and ambulance services. Long wait times in hospitals. House prices out of reach for our kids.

Liveable for who?

Anonymous said...

What are you talking about, my kids will be able to afford to live here because they are going to work hard in school and get good jobs. What's wrong with your kids?

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I thought that too. Daughter has 2 university degrees and married to a guy with 2 degrees. Your kids may find saving up after taxes and living expenses a down payment on $1,000,000 a bit more daunting than your dreams.

Predict a lovely meal of crow.

Anonymous said...

Bang on, anon 9:36am. As house prices continue to climb, while salaries stagnate (even for those with professional degrees), it's only going to get more difficult for even the well employed to afford the dream of owning a single-family home.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:32

Save your kids the trouble and ditch the hard work ethic and education and teach them the art of brown nosing. Then just have them apply at one of the local municipalities.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:33pm, what's wrong with working for the municipality? There are probably plenty of hard working individuals who are employed by your local government who have nothing to do with the politics of the municipality. Why come down on the people who are just doing the jobs they were hired to do?

Anonymous said...

Who said there was anything wrong with working for the municipality?

I think it is probably a good place if you are looking for a job and not a career.

Anonymous said...

Then what was with the 'brown nosing' comment? And why not a career? You realize that they hire professionals like Engineers and Accountants, right? Are those not careers?

Anonymous said...

Ignore the comment, it is made in ignorance.

The educational level of most of the public sector non-union staff is likely higher than that of the poster. Management advances on education, experience, merit and ability which may bug someone with less ability and motivation. Boohoo.

The union workers rely upon seniority for advancement within the union so all the "brown nosing" in the world won't get them past their more senior members.

Anonymous said...

anon 10:19 Where is this utopia you speak of?

Anonymous said...

Every municipality. Being a cynic doesn't make you correct.

Anonymous said...

Cynical no skeptical yes but certainly not a naïve sycophantic poster child for HR.

Anonymous said...

So, you don't agree that an educated person can have a satisfying career working for a municipality? What are you basing your 'skepticism' on? Or are you just another one of those people who resents people who have careers and not just jobs? Sounds to me like you're a miserable person who resents anybody who tries to get ahead in life.